What finish was used on the 1911, 96/11 and K11? The finish on my 96/11 a n 1911 is a bit shiny but it looks like an oil finish that's been polished a bit
by handling. I'm not wanting to refinish either one...........just want to know.
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Finish on 1911 and K11
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 DON1937.parallaxscurioa... |
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Posts: 64 (02/13/09 18:09:15) |
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Posts: 42 (02/13/09 20:59:50) |
I assume you're talking about the wood finish?
The wood is sealed with Shellac. The metal is blued. Here is a good thread on refinishing K31 shellac. Search around though, there have been dozens of threads on this subject. Just search for "refinishing" and "shellac" Here's a few more: http://theswissriflesdotc...board.yuku.com/topic/1224 http://theswissriflesdotc...board.yuku.com/topic/1194 http://theswissriflesdotc...board.yuku.com/topic/1140 http://theswissriflesdotc...board.yuku.com/topic/1196 http://www.surplusriflefo...pic.php?f=37&p=465311 http://curioandrelicfirea...m/forum/viewtopic/id/6981 That should get you started pretty well, Hope that helps, -Pete |
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Posts: 864 (02/14/09 00:15:40) |
Pretty much all your walnut stock Swiss rifles were originally finished in linseed oil. The Swiss switch to shellac when the beech stocked K31 came a long.
From that point on when the older rifles came through for arsenal work a shellac finish was also applied to them.
Wes
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Posts: 1518 (02/14/09 04:29:46) |
Raw Linseed Oil.
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Posts: 66 (02/15/09 10:08:01) |
Thanks for all the useful information. The finish on my 96/11 appears to be oil but a few small areas look as if someone has tried to do some touchup work with shellac and did a poor job. I don't normally refinish any of my Swiss rifles but if I could do as well as some of you do, evidenced by the photos posted, I'd be tempted. Is there any mark on the 96/11s or K11s to show that they were rearsenaled? Thanks again for your help. |
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Posts: 11763 (02/15/09 10:14:35) Contributing Member |
If shellac was used it dissolves in alcohol so it's easy to remove.
Check this for the stamps at the left side of the receiver that indicate a repair or overhaul of the older straight-pulls.... http://www.swissrifles.com/proofs/ Guisan. 
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Posts: 67 (02/15/09 12:06:56) |
Guisan wrote: |
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wkato |
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Posts: 868 (02/15/09 12:50:20) |
Correct Hawk, Raw Linseed Oil. I dilute mine at a ratio of 2:1, 1 part RLO to 2 part mineral spirits so it penetrates the wood easier and deeper. I'm
currently working on this M93 for a friend.
Wes
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Guisan |
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Posts: 11766 (02/15/09 13:06:26) Contributing Member |
Looks good Wes but I'm not sure if a mineral spirit is the best choice, check this....
http://www.violinvarnish.com/turpentine.htm The old turpentine is harder to find but that's what I use to dilute the linseed oil and I warm up the mix a bit before I apply to get the resin thinner. Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40 |
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wkato |
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Posts: 870 (02/15/09 13:25:57) |
Didn't have any turpentine but the RLO list mineral spirits as a thinner for gun stocks. I do know the oil definitely penetrates quicker with the thinner.
Will have to pick up some turp and compare.
Wes
Swiss Flu Support Group
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Guisan |
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Posts: 11767 (02/15/09 13:29:33) Contributing Member |
They list mineral spirits because the old stuff is getting harder to find.
The resin in true old turpentine makes the finish slightly more shiny without needing to rub the wood much. Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40
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02/15/09 13:43:22.
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wkato |
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Posts: 872 (02/15/09 21:57:17) |
Well picked up some turp today, the mixture does seem to make the wood shine more. You didn't mention anything about the smell getting me ran out of the
house!
 Wow...that stuff is strong!
Wes
Swiss Flu Support Group
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Guisan |
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Posts: 11770 (02/16/09 01:44:34) Contributing Member |
LOL that's because I'm used to it, it reminds me to painters in the old days.
Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40 |
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Posts: 68 (02/17/09 18:40:27) |
Guisan wrote: |
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Guisan |
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Posts: 11786 (02/18/09 09:00:40) Contributing Member |
Hmmm that expression is not clear to me, I tried to look it up and found things to eat, things to look at and T-shirts with that text but I don't see the
relation to the turpentine smell....
Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40 |
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Posts: 70 (02/18/09 09:53:07) |
Way back in the day turpentine was sometimes used in medicinal cures. Sugar tit was what they called a bit of sugar and turpentine mix wrapped up in a small
cloth to make a ball with a tail for babies and young children to suck on. Schunller(SP)?
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Guisan |
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Posts: 11789 (02/18/09 10:12:29) Contributing Member |
Ah that explains, I still use one when I feel a cold coming up but with whisky instead...
Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40 |
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Posts: 73 (02/19/09 08:47:57) |
Yet another question. Why raw linseed oil over BLO?
Hot Toddy. Shot of whiskey, bit of sugar, spoon of lemon juice and hot water. Sleep like a baby.......well like a contented 5yr. old anyway.
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Posts: 11796 (02/19/09 09:49:47) Contributing Member |
Well, just boiling linseed oil causes it to oxidize and polymerize, that BLO dries faster but is thicker so it won't penetrate the stock as good as raw
linseed oil (and we dilute that one also). We assume that raw linseed oil was used in the old days.
The stuff sold nowadays as "boiled linseed oil" are a combination of raw linseed oil, petroleum-based solvent and metallic dryers, it works fine also but for that nice shine the old method is to be prefered. Guisan.
Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death. Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40
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Posts: 74 (02/19/09 14:26:31) |
Thank you Guisan. The only typeI find locally is BLO and thinned it works nicely. I like to put it on with my bare hand and the glow just takes a little
rubbing with a cloth after it dries.
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wkato |
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Posts: 873 (02/19/09 20:19:16) |
My RLO came from a paint store, they may not have it stocked but can order a can for you. Cost me around $19 for a gallon can.
Wes
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