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Frequently Asked Questions - Please Read 

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Please take the time to read and research these links before you ask. Everyone here is more than willing to answer, but you're going to learn and remember much more by reading these few links yourself now
Use the search function when you don't find an answer here.

Last, but not least! We strongly urge you to inspect every aspect of your newly purchased 1911, k11 or k31. Inspect for wear, checking or cracking of any and all metal parts and components before loading and firing. Should you find any suspicious areas of doubt, please post an inquiry on the Straight Pull Forum. Closely inspect ANY rifle that comes into your posession before loading and firing.
For the K31 check this... 

To answer your frequently asked questions see below. 

How to post pictures?

Posting pics here can be done in two ways;
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By clicking images top left on your screen, create an album there, upload your pics to that album and post them by clicking the second left icon from the smiley in the posting tool bar.

Make your pics 950 wide maximum.

What's with the K's and M's in the names of the rifles? 

The K stands for Karabiner - carbine in English. The rifle is a Gewehr in German and the usual abbreviatons include Gew11, G11, or even LG11 (LangGewehr = long rifle). 

It seems many folks whose primary exposure to Swiss rifles has been the 1931 carbine (K31) extrapolate that "K" must be the Swiss equivalent of the US "M" (Model), but it really is specific to the individual type of arm - not a generic designation. 
(Description provided by Parashooter). 

The Swissrifles.com links main page 
HERE 


Listing of Proof and Inspectors Marks 
HERE 

Schmidt-Rubin FAQ 
HERE 

How do I know which type of Swiss Rifle I have? 
HERE 

Where can I find a manual for my Swiss rifle? 
By simply clicking HERE 

How to sight in a diopter set 
http://theswissriflesdotc...board.yuku.com/topic/3674 

K-31 Sighting Fine Adjusters 
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/1251

K-31 Bolt Disassembly 
HERE 
K-11 Bolt Disassembly 
HERE 

All 20 K11 and K31 front sight blades and their markings...
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/6774/The-20-official-K11-K31-sight-blades-and-their-markings
 
A  listing of the (tag !) abbreviations used by the Swiss Military, the Swiss phone book, local time and more... 
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/6944

Writing a letter to the person on the tag (from info on tag) 
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/3203

St.Marie Swiss Products 
http://www.swissproductsllc.com/ 

Parashooter's Offset Scope Mount Analysis
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/10747/Solving-the-offset-scope-problem

The original Swiss stock finish recipes
 http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/10847/master/1/   

Numbers in circles on rifle stocks


Manufacture Dates

To determine the date of manufacture of a particular rifle, one needs to know both the model and the serial number. Given the model, go to the appropriate table and look for the range of serial numbers that spans the given serial number. The corresponding date for that serial number is shown in the left column of the table.

For example, given a Model 1911 with a serial number of 2673xx, the tables show no such serial number for a Model 1911. There is a range spanning this serial number for a Model 1889/96, however, showing a manufacture date of 1900. Knowing that the M89/96s were converted to approximate the M1911 form, we conclude that this rifle is a Model 1889/96/11 manufactured in 1900.

As another example, given a Model 1931 with a serial number of 9999xx, the tables indicate that this rifle was manufactured in 1953.

Note: Some rifles will have an uppercase P either after or below the serial number. Upon retirement from active duty, the retiring Swiss soldier was given the opportunity to keep his service rifle. Rifles so obtained were stamped with the uppercase P near the serial number, and should not be confused with the "Private" series of rifles indicated in the tables below. The "Private" series of rifles were manufactured to fill special orders with the factory (such as for export).

Model 1889 - Training Rifles (Instruktionsgewehre)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
189340E1-E39 (E20 doubled)
18952E43, E45
18962E42, E44
Model 1889 - Repeating Rifles (Repetiergewehre) 
Manufacture ended on April 29, 1897
YearQuantitySerial numbers
1891249001-24900
18929010024901-115000
189359100115001-174100
18948787174101-174887 
175001-183000
189512500183001-195500
189612500195501-208000
18974000208001-212000
Cavalry Carbine Model 1893 (Kavalleriekarabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
18962504251-4500
18972504501-4750
18982504751-5000
18992505001-5250
19004005251-5650
19015005651-6150
19025006151-6650
19035006651-7150
19043007151-7450
19053007451-7750
1895-190596P1-P96 - Private series,
numbers P46-P84 for a commercial company, Paris
1897-190311E1-E11, extra series,
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Model 1889/96 - Training Rifles (Instruktionsgewehre)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
18972E2-E3
18994E4-E7
19004E8-E11
19044E12-E15
19084E16-E19
Model 1889/96 - Repeating Rifles (Repetiergewehre) 
Manufacture ended in November 1912
YearQuantitySerial numbers
1895501-50
18979000212001-221000
189815500221001-236500
189915500236501-252000
190016500252001-268500
190111500268501-280000
190212000280001-292000
190310000292001-302000
19048000302001-310000
19056000310001-316000
19066000316001-322000
19075000322001-327000
19085000327001-332000
19094800332001-336800
19106300336801-343100
19111900343101-345000
19124000345001-349000
Model 1897 Cadet Rifles (Kadettengewehre) 
Sub-caliber Trainers (per J. Walter) (Einsatzgewehre)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
189918E1-E18
19006E19-E24
19019E25-E33
19023E34-E36 (P9+P34?)
19032E37-E38
19041E39
19071E40 (P40)
Model 1897 Cadet Rifles (Kadettengewehre)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
189821001-2100
189916492101-3749
190015803750-5329
19014995330-5828
19021935829-6021
19032326022-6253
19041516254-6404
19051146405-6518
19061836519-6701
19071506702-6851
1908826852-6933
1909376934-6970
19102366971-7206
1911997207-7305
19121157306-7420
191423115001-15231
19153315232-15264
19167015265-15334
1918215335-15336
19242615337-15362
19252015363-15382
19268015383-15462
19271515463-15477
1898-191945P1-P45, Private series 
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Model 1889/1900 Short Rifles (Kurze Gewehre)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
190150001-5000
19028855001-5885
19039155886-6800
190410006801-7800
190515007801-9300
190615009301-10800
1907175010801-12550
1908175012551-14300
1909165014301-15950
1910150015951-17450
1911130017451-18750
?176P1-P176 [sic], Private series,
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
1903 Zoll89P72-P150
1904 Zoll300P173-P472
?50P501-P550
Zoll394P551-P944
Zoll190P951-P1140
Zoll103P1141-P1243

Note:
Zoll - Customs service

Model 1905 Cavalry Carbines (Kavalleriekarabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
19068101-810
19072790811-3600
190826003601-6200
19095006201-6700
19106006701-7300
19116007301-7900
1906-191439P1-P39, Private series,
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Model 1896/11 Infantry Rifles (Infanteriegewehre) 
These rifles carry the serial numbers of the Model 1896 rifles from which they were modified
YearQuantity
19125000
191340000
191451000
191538000
19161500
1918200
191950
192020
Model 1911 Infantry Rifles (Infanteriegewehre) 
Manufacture ended on October 1, 1919
YearQuantitySerial numbers
19126000355001-361000
191314000349001-355000
361001-369000
19145000369001-374000
191522000374001-396000
191632000396001-428000
191731000428001-459000
191820000459001-479000
19193000479001-482000
?200P5000-P5200, Private series,
last manufactured on October 10, 1919,
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
?1P5219
?698P5251-P5948
Model 1911 Carbines (Karabiner) 
Manufacture ended on July 11, 1933
YearQuantitySerial numbers
1914600030001-36000
1915400036001-40000
19161300040001-53000
19171610053001-54400
55001-62000*
62301-70000**
19181900070001-89000
1919200089001-91000
1920650091001-97500
1921850097501-106000
19227500106001-113500
19237900113501-121400
19247600121401-129000
19257500129001-136500
19269900136501-146400
192712600146401-159000
192811500159001-170500
192912800170501-183300
19309900183301-193200
19318800193201-202000
19329200202001-211200
19333900211201-215100
1913-1919300P2001-P2300, Private series
entry in the export book of Waffenfabrik Bern
Zoll18P2013-2030
Zoll8P2037-P2044
Zoll30P2071-P2100
Zoll100P2101-P2200
without entries4P2201-P2204
?19P2205-P2223
Zoll50P2251-P2300

Notes:
Zoll - Customs service
* Serial numbers 54401-55000 and 62001-62300 are missing (900 pieces)
** Serial numbers 69701-69750 have double entries, but are only entered once in this list. Consequently, the total of the Model 1911 Carbines listed here comes to 185150 pieces.

Special Model 1911 Rifles (Extra-Gewehre)
YearWhoSerial numbers
1915Kriegstechnische Abteilung, Bern -E500
1914Koenigliche Gewehrpruefungskommission, Ruheleben-Spandau -
Spanische Gesandtschaft, Bern -
E501
E502
1919Emile Galley, Lausanne -E503
1920Hollaendische Gesandtschaft, Bern -
Englische Gesandtschaft, Bern -
E504
E505
1915Eidgenpessiosches Militaerdepartement, Bern -E506-E507
1917Sektion fuer Munition, Thun -E508
1918Amerikanische Gesandtschaft, Bern -E509
1919Franzoesische Gesandtschaft, Bern -E510
1920Franzoesische Kriegsministerium, Paris -
Tiro Suizo, Buenos Aires -
E511-E520
E521-E522
1921Italienische Gesandtschaft, Bern -
Italienischer Militaerattache, Bern -
Flugplatzdirektion, Duebendorf -
Sektion fuer Schiessversuche, Thun -
E523
E524
E525
E526-E527
1922Eidgenoessische Munitionsfabrik, Thun -
Eidgenoessische Munitionsfabrik, Thun -
Internationales Wettschiessen, Mailand -
The High Commissioner for the Commonwealth of Australia, London -
E525?
E528-E529
E530
E531

1923Franzoesisches Kriegsministerium, Paris -E532
1924Eidgenoessisches Schuetzenfest, Aarau -
KTA, fuer Schweden -
KTA, fuer Tschechoslowakei -
E533-E534
E535
E536
1925KTA, fuer Waffenfabrik Oviedo -
KTA, Bern -
Schiessschule Walenstadt -
E537
E538-E539
E540-E541
1926Afghanische Regierung (mit Dolch 18) -
KTA, fuer Tschechoslowakei -
E542
E543
1934J. Alder W+F, Bern -E544

Notes:
KTA - Kriegstechnischen Abteilung des schweizerischen Militaerdepartements
W+F - Waffenfabrik

Special Model 1911 Carbines (Extra-Karabiner)
YearWhoSerial numbers
1918Amerikanische Gesandtschaft, BernE1
1919Amerikanische Gesandtschaft, BernE2
1920Hollaendische Gesandtschaft, Bern -
Tiro Suizo, Buenos Aires -
Tiro Suizo, Buenos Aires -
E3
E5
E6
1921Direktion Eidgenoessische Waffenfabrik, BernE7
1923Franzoesisches Kriegsministerium, ParisE4
1926Afghanische RegierungE8
1932Wojskorny Zaklad, Warschau -
Werkzeugmaschinenfabrik, Oerlikon -
E9
E10
1952unreadableE11
Model 1911 Carbines (Karabiner) 
Converted from Model 1889/1900 Short Rifles and Model 1905 Cavalry Carbines
YearQuantity
19131000
19148000
19158000
19168200
1917900
1918100
191970
192065
Model 1911 Trials Carbines (Versuchs-Karabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
1923KTA, BernV1-V10
1926KTA, fuer Schiessschule WalenstadtV1-V200

Note: KTA - Kriegstechnischen Abteilung des schweizerischen Militaerdepartements

Model 1931 Carbines (Karabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
19331193520010-521202
193415534521203-536736
193513664536737-550400
193611326550401-561727
193711639561728-573366
193810344573367-583700
193915300583701-599000
194033575599001-632575
194154150632576-686725
194249350686726-736075
194350475736076-786550
194451900786551-838450
194526200838451-864650
194615600864651-880250
194720950880251-901200
194820100901201-921300
194915500921301-936800
195013200936801-950000
195123050950001-973050
195221400973051-994450
19535549
7450
994451-999999
215001-222450
195417150222451-239600
195511250239601-250850
19566400250851-257250
19572950257251-260200
19583130260201-263330
Model 1931 Carbines - Private series
YearQuantitySerial numbers
193416?
1935500400001-400500
1936100 Zoll401001-401100
1937150 Zoll
200
401101-401250
400501-400700
1938150400701-400850
193920401501-401520
1940150
530
50
50
400851-401000
401521-402050
402151-402220
402251-402300
1941300402301-402600
1942650402501[sic]-403150[sic]
1943350403151-403500
1944400403501-403900
1945600403901-404500
1946837404501-405337
1947929
30
405322[sic]-406250
E519767-E519796
1948400406251-406650
1949650406651-407300
1950400
50
407301-407700
408001-408050
1951300
50
407701-408000
408051-408100
1952300408101-408400
1953450
50
408401-408850
409051-409100
1954200
100
408851-409050
409101-409200
1955450
100
409201-409650
410151-410250
1956450409651-410100
195750
300
410101-410150
410251-410550
1958475410551-411025
1959425411026-411450
1960300411451-411750
1961300411751-412050
1962400412051-412450
196350
400
267331-267380
412451-412850
1968-1969150various numbers
1971150
50
269431-269580
269881-269930
Stand (?) 1972250various numbers

Note:
Zoll - Customs service

Model 1931 serial number allocation, valid after November 1, 1952
[Note this table gives only the records of serial blocks allocated for various purposes. See the K31 tables above for yearly records of specific serial ranges actually marked on receivers.]
Serial numbersAllocation
215001-350000K31 Carbine series, ordered by KTA for KMV
350001-400000K31 Carbine series
P400001-P450000Private K31 Carbine series
450001-500000K31 Carbines with telescopic sights (sniper versions)
500001-500200Trials versions
E519701-E519900Various special K31s
519901-519999Cutaway K31s (running backwards?), last number 519970
520001-520150Carbine series ordered by KTA, delivered by W+F for special purposes
520081-520100Ditto, reserved for W+F
520151-999999Carbine series, ordered by KTA for KMV
after 550651Hardened magazine boxes
after 540001Hardened receivers

Notes:
KTA - Kriegstechnischen Abteilung des schweizerischen Militaerdepartements
KMV - Kriegsmaterialverwaltung
W+F - Waffenfabrik

Models 1931/42 and 1931/43 Sniper Rifles (Zielfernrohr-Karabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
194396?
1944403?
19451537?
1946205?

Model 1955 Sniper Rifles (Zielfernrohr-Karabiner)
YearQuantitySerial numbers
19571701001-1170
195830301171-4200
19598004201-5000
?1505001-5150

Commemorative K31, 50 years 1931 - 1981 #001 - 500.

Original serials 270801 - 271300 


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Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets.
No surrender. Fight to the death.

Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

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